Grimdark conversations - New poll

Tuesday, February 10, 2015


Let's start with the basics. What is grimdark? Nobody seems to agree on a universal signification. Do we really know where it comes from? The Urban dictionary is giving us this definition:
An adjective taken from the root words of grim and darkness, both of which are featured in the tagline for Warhammer 40,000: "In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war." It is usually used to describe a setting that would equal poor living conditions and life expectancies for those actually living in it.
This is simply the origin of the word and not its specific use in the Fantasy literature world. However, Know you meme seems to have more information about its origin:
The shorthand term “Grimdark” entered online usage as early as May 2008, when it was used as a descriptor in a blog post on the Wizards of the Coast about the newly released expansion set Shadowmoor. The blog post, titled “The Two-Sided Coin,” details the vision of the writers behind the expansion set. The author notes that they wanted to create a dark world without getting too “grimdark,” as there is still humor and hope in this game’s world. 

In May 2008, the term was used on 4chan’s /tg/ (traditional games) board to describe a potential game that would take place in a school of dark magic. The following month, Grimdark was added to 1d4chan, a Wiki for tropes discussed on the /tg/ board. That October, the term was defined on Urban Dictionary and the single serving site Grimdark.com was registered, containing a picture of an angel seated on a pile of skulls. 

The term has been also referenced in TV Tropes’ explanation of “Darker and Edgier,” the tone shift used to make a seemingly innocent fictive world seem more adult. The definition of Grimdark has also been discussed on the RPG.net forums, the Fanlore wiki and the Warhammer 40k message board Warseer. Grimdark images and fanfiction are shared on Equestria Daily, deviantArt, fanfiction.net and Tumblr.
And now let's look at what it means in the Fantasy world we love so much. Is it really a genre? A sub-genre of Fantasy? A sub-sub-genre of Dark Fantasy? The name given to novels where life is represented in a grittier and more 'realistic' fashion? Is it really important? So far, I think it was mostly used to talk about the 'darker' side of the books of the likes of Joe Abercrombie, Mark Lawrence, Richard K. Morgan, George R.R. Martin and Steven Erikson. Among them, some talked about it:

If you take a look at what the online community is rambling about, the fact that lots of best grimdark fantasy books lists exist, that you can find many forums or reddit posts discussing the topic, the presence of grimdark dedicated blogs (like Grimdark Fantasy Reader) or magazine (Grimdark Magazine), you can't denied that the term is still fashionable. Moreover, with the success of the authors I pointed out, it's no real surprise.

I also looked back at my previous poll. Back in 2013, I asked if you liked your Fantasy to be gritty and 87% of you answered positively. Sometime later, I asked if you thought that there was too much violence and you said no with a percentage of 88. The two factors are not representing all the elements that it takes to put the grimdark epithet on a Fantasy novel but they are fundamental factors. When I posted a poll about genre mixing, grimdark wasn't included...

You might ask yourselves why I'm I coming back with the grimdark topic? It's simple, there was an interesting conversation recently from key authors and thought-provoking bloggers. You really have to visit the great blog Nerds of a Feather, flock together and take a look at this:


And then, Mark Lawrence answered with a post of his own, featuring R. Scott Bakker, Teresa Frochock, Joe Abercrombie, Karen Miller, Richard K. Morgan and Kameron Hurley.

What's your opinion on this? Please share in the comments below.  As far as I'm concerned, I think that the grimdark epithet is misused and overused, as is often the case with specific sub-genres. However, it still represents a certain aspect that many Fantasy books have in common, more so in recent history. For some it's been misinterpreted as a negative moniker and it tends to frustrate the authors associated with it.  And there, I agree with most of what they have said about it.  You can't really define a book simply by saying that it's grimdark and less so an author... We ought to use the term sparingly and appropriately. Still, it's the source of interesting exchanges and debates, and simply for that fact, I'm glad that it found its place under the spotlight for a time. 

Taking all this into account, my next three questions for the poll are (with yes/no as answers for all of them):

Do you believe that grimdark is really a sub-genre of Fantasy?

Is grimdark dead?

Are you attracted by a book labelled as grimdark?

Poll result - Eager meter 2015

Monday, December 15, 2014


Alright folks, I asked and you answered en masse! The book you are most eager about in Fantasy (and in the specific list I put up) for 2015 is:



The Thorn of Emberlain
Gentleman Bastards book 4
Scott Lynch

Hopefully, Scott Lynch posted an update back in November, stating that the novel was still on track for a mid-year 2015 release.

Here's the list in order of 'eagerness':
The Thorn of Emberlain (Gentleman Bastards Sequence book 4) by Scott Lynch
Queen of Fire (Raven's Shadow book 3) by Anthony Ryan
Shadow of Self (Mistborn) by Brandon Sanderson
The Spider's War (The Dagger and the Coin book 5) by Daniel Abraham
Fall of Light (Kharkanas trilogy book 2) by Steven Erikson
Half the World (The Shattered Sea book 2) by Joe Abercrombie
The Liar's Key (The Red Queen’s War book 2) by Mark Lawrence
The Autumn Republic (The Powder Mage book 3) by Brian McClellan
The Skull Throne (Demon Cycle book 4) by Peter V. Brett
Half a War (The Shattered Sea book 3) by Joe Abercrombie
The Dread Wyrm (The Traitor Son Cycle book 3) by Miles Cameron
The Unholy Consult (The Aspect Emperor book 3) by R. Scott Bakker
The Fool's Quest (The Fitz and the Fool trilogy book 2) by Robin Hobb
The Price of Valour (The Shadow Campaigns book 3) by Django Wexler
The Fifth Season (The Broken Earth book 1) by N.K. Jemisin
The Providence of Fire (Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne book 2) by Brian Staveley
Sword of the North (Grim Company book 2) by Luke Scull
Those Above (The Empty Throne book 1) by Daniel Polansky
The Black Dream (Heart of the World book 3) by Col Buchanan
The Silver King (The Silver Kings book 3) by Stephen Deas
Old Man's Ghosts (The Empire of a Hundred Houses book 2) by Tom Lloyd
Twelve Kings in Sharakhai (The Song of the Shattered Sands book 1) by Bradley P. Beaulieu
Storm and Steel (The Book of the Black Earth book 2) by Jon Sprunk
The Chart of Tomorrows (Gaunt and Bone book 3) by Chris Willrich

New poll - Eager meter 2015

Wednesday, November 12, 2014

As usual, let's do a quick return to the last poll first.

My question, related to a top list of publishers based on the awards they won,  was: "Is the publisher of a book influencing your acquisitions?". A great number of you, fellow Fantasy readers answered... 

And the results are:
No - 78 %
Yes - 21%

It's pretty clear, it's not really a factor. The push the analysis further, I'll return soon with polls on your favorite publishers and even more questions tackling the publisher subject.

For now, it's time for a new poll and a classic one at that.

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We now have a pretty good idea of the list of Fantasy novels with a 2015 release date.  Among this list, there's several eagerly awaited books form authors.of renown. It's time for the eager meter poll, 2015 edition.

The last years winners were:
2014 - Words of Radiance by Brandon Sanderson
2013 - a Memory of Light by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson
2012 - Forgot to poll...
2011 - a Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin

For the poll itself, I won't the whole list I have gathered but the most likely contenders in my humble opinion. There's two books in the same series by Abercrombie... I'm not sure someone will pick Half a War but still... Here's the list. You can pick more than one for the poll.

Fall of Light (Kharkanas trilogy book 2) by Steven Erikson
Half the World (The Shattered Sea book 2) by Joe Abercrombie
Half a War (The Shattered Sea book 3) by Joe Abercrombie
Shadow of Self (Mistborn) by Brandon Sanderson
The Dread Wyrm (The Traitor Son Cycle book 3) by Miles Cameron
The Spider's War (The Dagger and the Coin book 5) by Daniel Abraham
The Fifth Season (The Broken Earth book 1) by N.K. Jemisin
The Fool's Quest (The Fitz and the Fool trilogy book 2) by Robin Hobb
Twelve Kings in Sharakhai (The Song of the Shattered Sands book 1) by Bradley P. Beaulieu
The Liar's Key (The Red Queen’s War book 2) by Mark Lawrence
The Silver King (The Silver Kings book 3) by Stephen Deas
The Chart of Tomorrows (Gaunt and Bone book 3) by Chris Willrich
Queen of Fire (Raven's Shadow book 3) by Anthony Ryan
The Price of Valour (The Shadow Campaigns book 3) by Django Wexler
Storm and Steel (The Book of the Black Earth book 2) by Jon Sprunk
The Skull Throne (Demon Cycle book 4) by Peter V. Brett
Old Man's Ghosts (The Empire of a Hundred Houses book 2) by Tom Lloyd
Sword of the North (Grim Company book 2) by Luke Scull
The Black Dream (Heart of the World book 3) by Col Buchanan
Those Above (The Empty Throne book 1) by Daniel Polansky
The Autumn Republic (The Powder Mage book 3) by Brian McClellan
The Providence of Fire (Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne book 2) by Brian Staveley
The Unholy Consult (The Aspect Emperor book 3) by R. Scott Bakker
The Thorn of Emberlain (Gentleman Bastards Sequence book 4) by Scott Lynch

And if there is a book from the next list that you think I should add, speak up in the comments. I think there's only one debut... if you know of more, let me know!

The Dragon House (The Wild Hunt book 4)by Elspeth Cooper
Ruin (The Faithful and the Fallen book 3) by John Gwynne
Trial of Intentions (Vault of Heaven book 2) by Peter Orullian
Blood Will Follow (The Valhalla Saga book 2) by Snorri Kristijansson
Clash of Iron (Iron Age book 2) by Angus Watson
A Crown For Cold Silver by Alex Marshall
The Empire Ascendant (Worldbreaker Saga book 2) by Kameron Hurley
The Mortal Tally (Bring Down Heaven book 2) by Sam Sykes
Black Heart (The Barrow book 2) by Mark Smylie
The Darkling Child (The Defenders of Shannara book 2) by Terry Brooks
Chaos Unleashed (Chaos Born book 3) by Drew Karpyshyn
Hochverrat (Greatcoats book 2) by Sebastien de Castell
Lord of Ashes (Steelhaven book 3) by Richard Ford
The Boy Who Wept Blood (Erebus Sequence book 2) By Den Patrick
The Path of Anger by Antoine Rouaud

Finally, you can consider that the following, eagerly awaited books won't be out in 2015:

The Thousand and One ((The Crescent Moon Kingdoms book 2) by Saladin Ahmed
Winds of Winter (a Song of Ice and Fire book 6) by George R.R. Martin
The Doors of Stone (Kingkiller Chronicles book 3) by Patrick Rothfuss
Rhune (The First Empire book 1) by  Michael J. Sullivan
The Last King of Osten Ard (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn book 4) by Tad Williams

New poll - Publishers

Tuesday, September 30, 2014

The hiatus on the polls is over. But as always, before I tackle the new one, let's return to my last interrogation in my non-scientific search for the complete description of the typical Fantasy reader and to its results. I asked you fellow readers two questions:

Do you like battles in Fantasy?

and

The more detailed the better?

The idea behind these two questions came to mind after I read the insightful guest post Grieftongue, written by Jeff Salyards (that you can find on the blog).  He mentioned in his text that he knew that some readers (dare I say Fantasy readers?) don't like battles. While I agree that it was certainly the case, I thought that it must be a minority in the Fantasy readers crowd.  And the results are in.

96% of readers answering my poll like battles in Fantasy and 79% of them think that the more detailed the better. So, it can be concluded that Mr. Salyards is hitting the bullseye when he so deftly describe a battle in his books. Don't forget though that I focus on Epic Fantasy...

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Next up is the publishers!

For  the first several years of Fantasy reading I indulged in, I didn't really care about the publishing houses behind the books I picked up. Even when I began blogging in 2009, that was the last of my concern.  But eventually, I tended to favor some publishers over the others, without putting real thoughts behind it.  And then the ARCs began coming my way and I got a better understanding of the nature of most of them.

The Fantasy genre has a great number of publishers investing into it but some of them clearly stand out from the crowd, be it for the sheer number of novels they print or for the quality of the authors they sign and the editors they employ.

While browsing the web for a complete list of them, I stumbled into an interesting one from Worlds Without End. This isn't a list strictly for Fantasy publishers (there isn't that many who focus only on the particular genre) but for Fantasy, Sci-Fi and Horror. The top list is based on the awards the books they publish received and the number they won. Anyway, I'm not here to talk about awards and judging from the connection we can make between the number of books and authors and the wins, there's no big surprises except that Gollancz clearly stand out.

Here's the top 20:

Gollancz
Tor
Ace Books
Bantam Spectra
Orbit
William Morrow & Co.
Doubleday
Ballantine Books
Bantam UK
Ballantine Del Rey
Del Rey
HarperCollins
HarperCollins/Voyager
DAW Books
St. Martin's Press
HarperCollins UK
Eos
Pyr
Roc
Timescape Books

Night Shade books could have been on the top 20 if it hasn't been for their misfortune. Here's the link for the complete list.

A comparison could probably be made with the movie studios or the recording companies.  For these two industries, I dodn't care much about the company behind the works and when I think about it, I'm more interested in the book and gaming publishers.

It would be though to point out a favorite and Tor is clearly more present on my shelves. However, I admit that I always had something for them, Orbit books, Gollancz and Pyr more recently. Feel free to comment about the publishers you care about (or the ones you might despise).

And now, for my poll question:

Is the publisher of a book influencing your acquisitions?
- Yes
- No

New poll - Battles!

Wednesday, May 28, 2014

Nostalgia. It was the topic of my last poll with a more specific question in mind: Are the Fantasy series of old aging well?  Thinking back on the subject, I'm not sure they all do. Will readers who have read Brandon Sanderson, Joe Abercrombie, Steven Erikson or Mark Lawrence be interested in picking up Wheel of Time? Dragonbone Chair? Brooks' Shannara series? Lord's Foul Bane?

We can't really generalize on a list like that (or with every author of old you can imagine) but the interesting part of it if your answers.  What did you think?

Yes - 58%
No - 42%

Though call!

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Now then, ff you haven't, you really should read the guest post of Jeff Salyards I posted earlier this week. Done? Good!

My topic for the next poll won't be related to grief but to another subject tackled by Jeff, battles in Fantasy. Mr. Salyards mentions that battles are not cherished by all the readers. I tend to agree with that feeling judging by the discussions with, and comments from readers of Fantasy novels over the years. However, I think that in the specific genre of Fantasy, ain't it weird that it could be so?

First of all, I know that battles are not an absolute necessity in a Fantasy story.  They tend to be more so in particular sub-genres like Epic or Military Fantasy. The gritty phenomenon has even but them to the foreground with a 'bloody' prospect. I looked at the list of books I have read in the last years and I didn't find any novels where no battle scenes were included. Anyone has some titles in mind? With that being said, I think that we ought to look at this from a different perspective. If there is to be a battle in Fantasy books, it doesn't have to be much detailed and maybe when it is, that's where some readers will skip ahead?

A battle with magic involved is quite different from a close quartered sword fight, the latter being less 'flashy' and more gruesome. However, as I said, it's in the level of detail that the distinction will be. A duel of blades can be described without blood involved, with heroics, flamboyant moves and stances with poetic names. But when Joe Abercrombie, Jeff Salyards, Miles Cameron or Richard Morgan are behind the pen, you will read about a blade piercing some part of the body, fluids flowing out and many other types of injuries.  Some authors do it to shock but others to give a more accurate account of the battle (and its aftermath as Salyards masterfully demonstrated). 

A battle can even be decomposed to its numbers. I remember that it was the case with The Left Hand of God by Paul Hoffman.  In that example, I agree that the battles can be tedious. Hopefully, some writers like Django Wexler or Miles Cameron can paint a better portrait of a battle where I could grasp more of what was going on, even if that's not always the case.  

I think that one of the drawback of detailed battles is actually the details themselves... let me explain myself. Battles tend to be confusing.  That's where the skills of the author will come into play.  You can describe a battle sequence with all the little details you can think of, still, the reader has to be able to easily imagine the scene. Moreover, it's not every reader who has the knowledge of all the weapons and gear a knight can wield or wear or of the different tactics, parts of an army or strategies.

I admit that more often that I would like, I feel confused in battle scenes but still, I would say that I like or even love them in my Fantasy readings. Where else could we find heroics?

Do you like battles in Fantasy books?

- Yes
- No

The more detailed the better?

-Yes
-No

Your comments are more than welcomed! What is your relatioship with battles? Any memorable ones?

New poll - Nostalgia?

Wednesday, April 9, 2014


The topic of my last poll was humor.  To cover more than an aspect of it, I posted three questions instead of one and we now have the results.

What type of Humor do you prefer?
Sarcasm - 34%
Dark/Gallow/Mordid - 19%
Irony - 13%
Biting/Mordant - 6%
None - 6%
Satire, parody/spoof, puns, caricature/exaggerism or toilet - 3 % or less

Is Humor fundamental in Fantasy literature?
Yes - 52%
No - 48%

Do you like funny/parodic books?
Yes - 54%
No - 45%

Judging by the results of the last two questions, it's clear that Fantasy readers are quite divided in terms of appreciation of humor in Fantasy.  That came as a surprise for me, more so for the first question. I know that Grim Fantasy is the trend but even in the 'grimdark' world, authors like Joe Abercrombie can get a grin out of readers more often than not. Wouldn't it be kind of sad to have even less humor in Fantasy? As for the funny and parodic books, I think it's easier to understand that it's not for everyone.

If we keep the focus on the 'grimdark' trend, I think we can also explain the answers for the type of humor question. Don't forget that my blog is focusing on Epic Fantasy and that's the fashionable sub-genre these days.

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Nostalgic anyone?

Last week, Tad Williams confirmed that he will be returning to his roots with a new trilogy set in the world of Osten Ard, a sequel to his first trilogy, Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. The confirmation has been received as very good news in the blogosphere and the comments of many readers on the web. While I'm not indifferent, it made me think about the next question for my poll.

I have only read two books by Tad Williams and both are the start of series, meaning The Dragonbone Chair, first book of the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy and Shadowmarch, the first book of the Shadowmarch quartet. I remember liking them both but not being compelled to finish the series so far. In my review of The Dragonbone Chair, I wrote this:
In the end, it was a fun read. Always good to return to the roots of the genre from time to time. I enjoyed it enough to read the rest of the story. But beware, if you read it, the beginning of the book is very slow (I almost put it down). You really have to get at least to the second half. I would surely have given this book a better score if I had read it some years ago.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to diminish the love that long time readers of Williams have or put a label of nostalgia on the reason behind this love.  I think that it's indeed a very good news. By the way, have you read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn? And what did you think about it?) This is simply the introduction to my question and as I said I think that for many series that were released a long time ago, they could have been a better read if I had read them before. However, that's really not the case for everything written more than ten to fifteen years ago.

So, are we nostalgic? I think so but that's not the specific question to which I would like to have your opinion. To be more precise, I want to know if you think that our good old Fantasy series (here's the nostalgia creeping back) are aging well. Most of you must have read some Tad Williams, Terry Brooks, Stephen Donaldson, Raymond E. Feist, David Eddings or even Robert Jordan. Are they aging well for a new crowd of readers who were introduced to Fantasy by Abercrombie, Martin or Erikson? Tolkien is aging well don't you think? We all have a different path that leads to the kind of books we are reading now and I think that it has a great influence on how we perceive books that were released a long time ago.

Furthermore, I always liked to pick up books form authors that were a source of inspiration for the modern Fantasy writers. One of the best ways to get a complete understanding of a genre is to return to its roots. But when we do this, that nostalgic factor isn't present and that's probably when we can better tell if a book has aged well.  Are you often returning to books you have read twenty years ago?

Moreover, Fantasy is evolving. As I mentioned in my comment about the last poll, there's a trend toward grim and dark Fantasy and we are reading less and less often about the farm boy from prophecy who will vanquish evil.

To add more perspective to this questioning, I took a look back at past polls with topics in relation with this subject. When I asked if innovation was overrated in Fantasy, you answered that it wasn't. From the list of most common Fantasy tropes, you clearly said that you were tired of the farm boy saving the world (add to that prophecies and evil dark lords) and most of you were introduced to Fantasy with the help of Mister Tolkien. And finally, you prefer a sequel from a favorite writer than a new idea.

So...

Are the Fantasy series of old aging well?



New poll - Humor

Tuesday, February 25, 2014


First, let's comeback on the previous one.

In my last poll, the question was : ''Is innovation overrated in Fantasy?''.  That questioning came from the talk generated by the release of more traditional Fantasy novels and more recently, the comments for The Emperor's Blade by Brian Staveley. You can return to the post here.

The results are in and while at first the yes was 'winning', in the end, the no received more votes (67% voted no).  I thought that the results would have been closer.

I think that the good news about these results is that many authors, not to say a majority, are trying to innovate in the Fantasy field. Hopefully, there's still enough 'old school' writers coming up with traditional Fantasy to quench the thirst of the conventional or long-established tropes savvy.

If it's not broken, don't fix it? It seems that's its not applicable for the Fantasy readers. Authors beware, you ought to come up with ways to twist the genre and spice it up!

Any thoughts?

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To the next one.

The idea for my next poll also originated from one of my latest read, or I should say, audiobook. The book in question is The Palace Job by Patrick Weekes. The book is not a parody of the Fantasy genre like the Diskworld books by Terry Pratchett or the Xanth series by Piers Anthony but let's say that as they did, Weekes is playing with the tropes and with a whole lot of them. Necromancy, talking war-hammer, elves, unicorn, illusionist, thief you name it! However, tropes are not my topic, I already covered that in a previous poll.

This type of Fantasy book has to exist, it deserves its place in the genre. I haven't read much of Pratchett and Anthony since its not really my cup of tea ('parody-wise') even if when I consider the movies, I realize that I enjoyed some of Mel Brooks parodies and really liked The Princess Bride, which is originally a book by William Goldman. However, I think that books with a significant level of humor are really refreshing, mostly so in the current wave of 'Grimdark' and military Fantasy or even generally speaking for the Epic genre. Even so, dark humor is present more often than not in these sub categories. It's a great tool playing an important role in the tone of a novel and the overall enjoyment of a work.

Mark Lawrence, Joe Abercrombie, Luke Scull and even Richard Morgan are all well versed in this biting humor and even sarcasm (for me, Abercrombie's the king). Steven Erikson, in all his seriousness can make you laugh more than most author and when the Malazan marines or the duo of necromancers are involved, there's always funny stuff around the corner. I remember having a great time, many grins and several laughs when reading the Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams and Mat Cauthon from the Wheel of Time series was funny most of the time.  Alex Bledsoe's Eddie LaCrosse can also guarantee a considerable dose of chuckles and good puns. 

Let me ask you your opinion in the form of three question:

Is humor fundamental in Fantasy literature?

Do you like funny/parodic books?

What type of humor do you prefer?

None
Sarcasm
Satire
Irony
Biting/Mordant
Dark/Gallow/Morbid
Parody/Spoof
Puns
Caricature/Exaggerism
Toilet

(making a list of the types of humors is not obvious, you can challenge this in the comments...)

I would answer that yes, it is fundamental, I don't really like parodic books and my favorite type of humor in Fantasy would be sarcasm.  What about you?

New poll - Innovation - Familiar versus original

Wednesday, January 22, 2014


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This month, Brian Staveley is presenting his debut Fantasy novel, The Emperor's Blade.  I'm currently reading the book and already, there's several reviews available from various bloggers.  Moreover, Brian participated in an interesting AMA on Reddit. One of the aspects of his book which looks like a prevailing observation, and I can acknowledge to it, is the traditional Fantasy premise, including many themes usually found in the most significant portion of the Epic genre works.

In the last years, some books were celebrated as groundbreaking for the Fantasy genre (the first to come to mind is George R.R. Martin's a Song of Ice and Fire) and some authors even tried to shake things up crudely (Richard Morgan with the Steel Remains for example, which is a very good book but not quite groundbreaking).  On the other hand, traditional Fantasy is still written more often than not. It's at the source of our love for the genre so it shouldn't come as a surprise that a majority of authors tend to work within the canvas of the tropes developed over the years.

Some examples fell flat when they emulated too much their original source of inspiration.  The Eye of the World, the first book of the Wheel of Time by Robert Jodran, the Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks and more recently The Unremembered by Peter Orullian where too close to dear old Tolkien or borrowed too much without adding enough novelty to it.  Even with interesting characters, there ought to have at least something original, even in the traditional way of it. Don't you think?

I think that many readers are asking for more originality but reviewers are even more demanding in term of novelty. New magic systems, out-of-this-world settings, larger than life characters, etc... "Going traditional" almost looks like a risk. With so many books to compare with, you ought to have great writing skills, amazing storylines, extremely compelling protagonists and still a touch of innovation, even if it's subtle, to impress.  There are spectacular examples of this.  The Malazan Book of the Fallen fits right into the Epic genre with some traditional bearings but do it in exemplary ways. Ok, maybe this title is a stretch... but you get my meaning.

Going back to Staveley's debut, here's what the always excellent Niall Alexander had to say in his review:
Innovation is overrated. 
Genre novels that do something new are released on a regular basis, and there’s no question that new things are nice. Neat in theory, at least. To wit, we should applaud the authors who attempt to put original ideas into practice. But just because something’s new doesn’t guarantee that it’s going to be great out of the gate. Innovation is initially as likely to result in the sort of dissonance that can spoil a story as it is the resonance its agents anticipate. 
These days, the pressure applied to purveyors of fantasy fiction particularly to come up with something distinct and different—something to emblazon in all caps on the back of the jacket—is palpable. Listen too closely to picky critics and you’d be forgiven for thinking that a novel that does nothing notable in terms of the furtherance of the form—a novel that plays it safe, I suppose—is no novel at all. This is nonsense of the highest variety. There is, I think, plenty to be said for books that take hoary old tropes and put them to good use; books like The Emperor’s Blades by Brian Staveley, which I enjoyed an awful lot—excepting one big, blokish blunder—never mind its by-the-numbers nature.
And the reaction to a question from another great blogger on the AMA, Justin Landon:
I’ve read EMPEROR’S BLADES and thought it was very solid. The writing was good, the structure was fine, the world building was original and creative, but the themes felt very familiar within the genre. 
Why did you write an epic fantasy? What do you feel like EMPEROR’S BLADES is adding to the conversation? 
I’m glad to see this question at the top of the list, because honestly, I think it’s a great one.
Modernist and romantic writers tend to insist on originality, and though the tricks and techniques people like Woolf and Faulkner pioneered are now old hat, the boldness of novels like As I Lay Dying and Mrs. Dalloway still sometimes makes me want to quit writing and take up something more in keeping with my talents: maybe moving mud from one place to another.
This interest in originality, however, is not shared in all places and all times. Take J. S. Bach. For his day job, Bach wrote over 300 sacred cantatas, and they are wonderful, even sublime. They are not, however, defiant statements of originality. Bach’s approach to his art was not the approach of Faulkner and Woolf. He worked within the boundaries of tradition, often so assiduously that many of his contemporaries completely overlooked his talent. Scores of other baroque composers were doing the same sort of thing, often more flamboyantly. What set Bach apart from them was his execution. 
Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not comparing myself to Bach. The man had more brilliance in his left large toenail than I’ll ever possess, but his model, the model of an artist working inside a fairly rigid tradition (rather than one trying to blow the doors off of one), is a model I admire.
That said, there are some elements in The Emperor’s Blades that I’m pleased with. The monastic veneration of the Blank God by the Shin, for instance, looks a lot like other pseudo-Buddhist business we’ve seen before in fantasy, but the origins of the Shin discipline are much darker, the implications much muddier, than what I’ve seen elsewhere. I enjoyed writing the Kettral because I’ve never quite seen a fantasy analogue to modern special forces (although there may be one out there – anyone?) The leaches (the world’s magic users) intrigued me because I thought I saw a little corner of the fantasy magic world that (to my knowledge) hadn’t been staked out yet. So, although my model is Bach, not Woolf, I think there’s enough new material to engage hardened fantasy readers.
I think that both the traditional and genre shaking books have their place and need to exists to keep the genre strong and healthy.  However, it's a poll and we have to make a choice.  Mine would be the familiar framework so I think that innovation is kind of overrated but absolutely necessary in a right dose that keeps the novel within the genre. 

What do you think?  Is innovation overrated in Fantasy?

Poll results - Most awaited book of 2014

Wednesday, November 20, 2013

The question for my last poll was: "Which books are you most eager to read in 2014?" and the results are in! Are Fantasy readers still in love with fat Epic Fantasy series that will take more than a decade to finish? It sure looks like it. Brandon Sanderson is still a favorite and I admit that I was gladly surprise to see Steven Erikson in the list with the next Kharkanas trilogy book. You can take a look back at the list I posted here.

Here are the top five Fantasy books releasing in 2014 you are most eager to read:


Words of Radiance by Brandon Sanderson
March 4th 2014

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Half a King by Joe Abercrombie
July 2014

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The Broken Eye by Brent Weeks
2014

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Prince of Fools by Mark Lawrence
June 2014

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Fall of Light by Steven Erikson
2014

Poll - Eager meter 2014

Monday, October 7, 2013

In the last poll, I shared with you compulsive side of me, my urge to buy books I want to read as soon as they are available.  Hopefully, we are not in the majority as the results for the poll are:

Waiting for deal  -  37%
First day buy  -  22%
Used books  -  16%
Borrow from library  -  12%
Pre-Order  -  11%

I have never been watchful for deals on books before the e-book era but with the news going around quickly now with the help of social media, I admit that I couldn't resist some very interesting deals recently.

What do you think of the results?


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It's that time of the year!

As I did the past years (the book you were the most eager for in 2013 was Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson's A Memory of Light, the final opus of the Wheel of Time), I wanted to ask you about the Fantasy books with a 2014 release date you are most eager for.  You can pick more that one of them in the poll.

Even if I'm a big Malazan fan, I still haven't read the last Esslemont novel and I don't know what to think about the finale of his storylines of the Malazan world.  The new series by Mark Lawrence should be interesting and the second book of Miles Cameron is also quite appealing.  However, my top five (in no particular order) would be Sworn in Steel, The Unholy Consult, The Widow's House, The Broken Eye and Words of Radiance.

The list doesn't include many debut authors (only Staveley and Smylie) but I'll be sure to bring more of them to the spotlight as the year progresses.  K.J. Parker next book is set for 2015, The Skull Throne (Demon Cycle book 4) by Peter V Brett doesn't have an official date, we have no news for The Doors of Stone (Kingkiller Chronicles book 3) by Patrick Rothfuss and The Winds of Winter (ASoIaF book 6) by George R. R. Martin, no news for Anthony Huso, Paul Kearney, Col Buchanan, Brian Ruckley's The Free and Bradley P. Beaulieu new series may be released late 2014.

Here's the list but feel free to add more titles:

Sworn in Steel (Tales of the Kin book 2) by Douglas Hulick
Veil of the Deserters (Bloodsounder's Arc book 2) by Jeff Salyards
Throne of the Crescent Moon book 2 by Saladin Ahmed
The Unholy Consult (The Aspect Emperor book 3) by R. Scott Bakker
Moon's Artifice by Tom Lloyd
The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin
A Dance of Shadows by David Dalglish
The Broken Eye (Lightbringer book 3) by Brent Weeks
The Widow's House (The Dagger and the Coin book 4) by Daniel Abraham
He Drank, and Saw the Spider (Eddie LaCrosse book 5) by Alex Bledsoe
Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive book 2) by Brandon Sanderson
Steles of the Sky (Eternal Sky book 3) by Elizabeth Bear
Blood and Iron (The Book Of The Black Earth book 1) by Jon Sprunk
The Fell Sword (Traitor Son cycle book 2) by Miles Cameron
The Dark Defiles (A Land fit for Heroes book 3) by Richard Morgan
Spellbreaker (Spellwright book 3) by Blake Charlton
The City Stained Red by Sam Sykes
The Splintered Gods by Stephen Deas
Prince of Fools (The Red Queen's War book 1) by Mark Lawrence
The Crimson Campaign (The Powder Mage trilogy book 2) by Brian McClellan
Assail by Ian Cameron Esslemont
Half a King by Joe Abercrombie
Tower Lord (Raven's Shadow book 2) by Anthony Ryan
Sword of the North (Grim Company book 2) by Luke Scull
Fall of Light (Kharkanas trilogy book 2) by Steven Erikson
The Emperor's Blades by Brian Staveley
The Barrow by Mark Smylie

"Which books are you most eager to read in 2014?"

Poll - Purchase time

Wednesday, September 4, 2013

Poll time everybody!

The last poll results are in.  My previous question was: How many pages do you give a book before giving up?

Depends on the book  -  29%
100 or so  -  23%
I always finish them  -  21%
50 or so  -  13%
Half of it  -  8%
Less than 20  -  2%

Considering a previous poll where 'I finish every book I read' had 51% of the respondent answering with a yes, the results of the page rule look like they almost confirm that half the readers are persistent. What is interesting is the breakdown of the score for the answers in conjunction with this.  For most of the readers, it depends on the book.  I think that's a good sign but as I said when posting the poll, the rule is a good way to try to stick to the better books with so much of them on our shelves.  Still, a quarter of the readers with a 100 or so rule is a surprise for me.

What do you think of the results?

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For my next question, let's survey the economic considerations and eagerness of us, the readers. I want to know more about the moment when you decide to buy a book and if the pricing factor is important.

On my part, even if I buy less books than before with all the ARCs I receive, I have to admit that I have always been a first day buyer.  I still often buy books right when they are released even if I'm not always certain where they will fit into my to-read pile or if I'll read them soon... Thinking about it, I'm not sure it's really a good idea for my wallet but everybody must have some compulsive side... no?

Moreover, I'm always struggling not to buy books on sale, mostly so for the cheap e-books deal coming up more often than not. I think that the only book I ever pre-ordered is George R.R. Martin's A Dance with Dragons. Anyway, I never heard about a shortage in recently books or at least never had to experience it...

When/how do you buy your books?

Pre-Order
First day buy
Waiting for deal
Used books
Borrow from library

New poll - Page rule

Monday, August 12, 2013


Over the years, I have read about several readers who gave books a specific number of pages before considering giving up on them.  Some set it as a rule and some are less strict about it.  If we look at a poll I made some years ago, 51% of the respondents answered that they finished all the books they picked up.  If that number still stands, half of us readers shouldn't have a number of pages rule to give each books a chance.

At first glance, this kind of rule seems like a good idea if you want to read more books of quality and don't have any time to waste but I'm pretty sure that if you apply this concept with everything you read, you will probably pass on some great novels with a slow start. That question popped up when I read a comment by a reader on my recent review of Mage's Blood by David Hair.  The reader dropped the book after a hundred pages.  He didn't mention it was because of a rule and it was probably simply because he didn't find anything of interest after that many pages.

As I commented, I understand the feeling and I'm not writing this post to try to change his mind but this novel is, as far as my opinion goes, a good example of a book that could be put out to fast.  I'm certain that we can all find other names to add to that list, books that have a slow start but ends up to our satisfaction. I would probably have missed on Erikson's Malazan series or R. Scott Bakker books if I had a 50 pages rule.

I have never read with a number of pages in mind before giving up on a book and I admit that it's not often that I put one down before the end. However, being a reviewer, I think that I have to read most of them to the end to give an accurate opinion of the whole work.  Still, there are some books that I had to put down. Sometimes they remain on the to-read pile for later; I think there are some novels that you have to be in the right mindset to enjoy...  sometimes it's simply not to my taste but that doesn't mean that it's a bad book...

Taking everything into consideration, even with so many good books to enjoy, a page rule number still seems a wild guess to me.  Anyway, with this poll, I'm interested in your experience and opinion. It's time to share!

How many pages do you give a book before giving up?
- Less than 20
- 50 or so
- 100 or so
- Half of it
- I always finish them
- Depends on the book



Poll results - We found the tavern

Monday, July 22, 2013


The results are in from the last poll and we found the tavern where we would stop for a drink!  The first choice may not be the safest one on nights where a small group of hobbits seek shelter but at least they have "what they call a pint!".  The fact that it's the most famous tavern from the most famous work of Fantasy has probably something to do with the results.

Inn of the Prancing Pony  -  28%
The Eolian  -  18%
K'rul's Bar  -  18%
The Queen's Blessing  -  10%
Phoenix Inn  -  10%
The Waystone  -  9%
Crossroads Inn  -  4%

Aside from the choices I proposed, the following taverns/bars/inns were suggested:

Callahan's Place from Callahan's Crosstime saloon by Spider Robinson
The Companion's Bell from Valdemar series by Mercedes Lackey
Vulgar Unicorn from Thieves' World by various authors
The Inn of the Last Home from the Dragonlance series
The Inn - Honest John's from Raymond E. Feist's Midkemia universe
The Mended Drum - formerly the Broken Drum in Ankh-Morpork from Terry Pratchett's Discworld

Cheers!

New poll - Where's the tavern?

Wednesday, June 19, 2013

Time for a new poll!  A more tasteful one!

First, lest's return to the last one.  My question was "Do you have book hangovers?".  A majority of respondents, 64% of you fellow Fantasy readers, answered with a yes.  Immersion in another universe, escapism, imagination, you name it, the results show that it isn't easy to let go when we stop reading a good book.

The comments were unanimous, when a novel or a series of them are compelling and we grow attached to the characters and their world, cutting the cord creates a feeling of 'post book depression' (as one of the commenter put it) of various degree.  Can that hangover degree be a sign of greatness?

Let's get to the other type of hangover!

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Taverns, inns and pubs have always been a wonderful trope of Fantasy.  The classic innkeeper with his dirty apron and corpulent stomach, most often than not with a beard and not much more hair high up, is welcoming his customers with a low voice. A gleeman sings a song, a fight breaks up, the tankards are being filled by the waitresses, the company is good and a strange fellow is observing the crowd from under his hood!

I have to admit that thinking of scenes set in the taproom of an inn makes me grin. How often have we read about this type of establishment in Fantasy books?  It also made me think about the scenes or taverns/bars/inns I remember the most from my reading experience.  I'll share some with you and I hope that you'll add your share of names and memories to add to the list of answers I'll come up with for the poll.

The inn of the Prancing Pony
There's no ignoring this one. It's the first worldly inn that the hobbits visit in the Fellowship of the ring, in the city of Bree. The meeting of Aragorn and Frodo, how couldn't this be a nice memory. A nice place worth sitting at? That's another question, maybe not on dark and rainy nights!

The Queen's Blessing
Run by the innkeeper Basel Gill, it's where Rand and Mat meet with Loial in The Eye of the World. They were directed there by Thom Merrilin when he sent them to Camelyn.  Another mythic place for the Fantasy readers.

The Crossroads Inn
Perhaps not as widely known, this is the inn in A Song of Ice and Fire along the Kingsroad where Catelyn meets with Tyrion and where Sandor Clegane and Arya Stark stumbled upon Gregor Clegane's men. Maybe not the best place to find good company...

The Phoenix Inn
The inn is one of the settings at the heart of the story developed as a role playing game by Steven Erikson and Ian C. Esslemont that ended up as Darujhistan's homebase for the operations of a modest and rotund individual. This Malazan point of interest would surely offer good conversations with the like of Coll, Crokus, Kruppe,  Meese, Murillio and Rallick Nom!

K'rul's Bar
Again from the Malazan world and the city of Darujhistan, K'rul's bar would offer a good competition for a night of conversation around a drink with mighty figures like Duiker, Fisher and a bunch of Bridgeburners in hiding. Want a pickled Seguleh?

Waystone Inn
Kote's hideout, the Kingkiller himself as a bartender with the mysterious Bass and Chronicler as his companions?  Another interesting place from the Name of the Wind to visit but I don't think that we could be privy to the recounting of Kvothe's story...

The Eolian
Care for some music? What better place to go then than the Eolian, the famous tavern in Imre. We could watch the performers try to win their silver Talent Pipes or a patron. Beware of the entry fee though!

Any other Fantasy bar/tavern/pub/inn come to mind? And for the poll, at which Fantasy tavern/inn would you stop for a drink?

New poll - Book hangover

Monday, May 13, 2013

First, a quick return on the last poll.  I experienced some problems with it as it kept resetting over and over again.  At least, I noticed a trend and for the question "Would you help fund a novel on Kickstarter?", a large majority of you answered with a Yes.  From the comments, it's clear that everyone seems to find the idea interesting but I don't think that many readers would actually fund a novel from an unknown author, at least not with enough pledge to really help them.  Seems like it won't be a revolution in book publishing.

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For the next subject of my poll, I have to thanks two people for the idea.  First is the guys at The Fantasy Tavern who shared the pic posted above and secondly, my good friend and personal test reader for the books on my reading pile, who told me about this concept several times.

Some years ago, I posted a poll about simultaneous reading.  Almost a third of those who answered said that they read two or three books at a time while half of the respondents said one at a time.  My new question is probably directed more at the later since it's about that book hangover feeling.  I think that if you are actually able to read two or three books at the same time, you probably don't feel that way at all.

I admit that I felt like that in many instances.  One thing I noticed when thinking about it was that I never start a new novel right after I finish one.  I always give it some time, even if it may only be some hours.  I don't really do it on purpose, it's probably that book hangover feeling, there's a kind of mourning period that I have to go through. Somehow, it doesn't apply to the audiobooks I'm listening to while I'm reading a different physical novel...


Book hangovers could also refer to the loss of sleep or such when you can't put down a book and you wake  up in a sorry state for it but in the case of this poll, let's stay with the feeling left by the previous book.

In the case of a series, I think it would be easier to pick up the next book right away, but with so many books to read, it's not often that I get the chance, or I should rather say give myself the chance to pick up follow-ups right away.

So, what about you?  What's your experience like when you finish a book? Do you have book hangovers?

- Yes
- No

New poll - Kickstarting

Monday, April 8, 2013

The topic of the last poll was magic systems.  Not really the 'type' of magic system but the way the authors choose to present them.  The question was What's your preference for a magic system?. Two answers were more popular and the poll ended up in a tie.  'Clear explanations with rules and boundaries' and 'A system shrouded in mystery' each received 42% of the votes.

Even if I know that you can't please everyone, I would have thought that one writing style for the magic system presentation would have stood out. The answers probably show only preferences but it's kind of a good news for the authors, you have even chances to please at least half the readers whether you go all-out with your magic system explanation or if you choose to unravel it subtly. Presumably, it's telling us that the most important aspect of it may not be the form but it's originality, the skill with witch it's integrated without regard for the way it's presented and more importantly, it must be backed with compelling characters in a gripping tale.

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My next inquiry is a simple one.  Three weeks ago, I wrote a post about two Kickstarter by already known and published Fantasy authors (Michael J. Sullivan and Bradley P. Beaulieu).  Since then, the Kickstarter for Sullivan's book, Hollow World ended and the result is more than satisfying for the author. Michael got $30,000 for his project, meaning that:
In the category of Fiction, Hollow World is now #10 for all fiction projects and #1 as far as funding for a single novel (other projects ahead of it are for anthologies, books with RPG games, interactive books, and even the money to fund the creation of a publishing company.
As I wrote before, it must be a bit easier for a known author to get some press, mostly with the help of social media and fellow authors helping with little pushes here and there.  I have contributed to both the project I presented earlier since they both appealed to me.  With the recent events with Night Shade Books, and with so many writers trying to be published (Sullivan endeavor in this is quite the story), I think that this new avenue ought to be an interesting prospect.

The difficulties however will probably be the same as it is with publishing in general. Hopefully, many aspiring authors will find a way to attract our attention through this method, but they ought to be quite creative.

What about you fellow readers?  Would you be interested in pledging money for a book showing some potential on a public funding platform? Do you think there is a future in this particular branch of funding? I'd like to hear you out in the comments.

As for the poll:

Would you help fund a novel on Kickstarter?

- Yes
- No

New poll - Magic systems

Wednesday, March 13, 2013

In my last poll, I wanted to explore some genre bending or mixing.  I was interested in finding out which genre creates the best mix with Epic Fantasy. The top four answers were:

Military - 31%
Dark - 21%
Steampunk - 12%
Historical - 12%


I was surprised by the result. With the trend of 'grimdark' Fantasy, I thought that Dark would have been higher in term of percentage. It seems that the Epic genre can't really be dissociated with the military element found more often than not in our favorite books.  However, a fresh dose of genre bending will always be welcomed.

On to the next subject!


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Illustration by Kekai Kotaki

If you have followed my reviews over the years on the blog, you know that I rate the books on a ten-point scale and that I rate five more categories to give some perspective, point things out. I'm not writing this post to talk about the ratings, this has already been discussed, but to talk about one specific element, magic systems.


Magic is a fundamental aspect of Fantasy, it's what differentiates the genre.  It may not be paramount to a great story but it can add a nice flavor to a story built around great characters and a compelling story.  Magic is usually a talent, a force, supernatural powers or simply the unexplained when no god is around to justify or blame it on. Who doesn't like magic?

I will have to write a AFR Top List for the best magic system I read about in my years of Fantasy reading but for now, I can still throw out some names. Robert Jordan's Saidin and Saidar are unavoidable, the warrens of Steven Erikson were complex but brilliant, Brandon Sanderson came up with originality when he presented allomancy, Blake Charlton created one in parallel with his disability in Spellwright and Brent Weeks felt colorful when he invented chromaturgy for the Lightbringer series.

The use of the 'magic system' terminology seems to be creating dissension into the ranks of Fantasy readers, even if it's simply a term used so we can understand each other. Usually, when you think of magic systems, rules more often than not find their ways into the melee.  Orson Scott Card wrote about it in a book (with a very interesting argument about the price of magic and the balance it creates or breaks) and Brandon Sanderson posted this essay (which include a law...), beginning with:

I like magic systems. That's probably evident to those of you who have read my work. A solid, interesting and innovative system of magic in a book is something that really appeals to me. True, characters are what make a story narratively powerful but magic is a large part of what makes the fantasy genre distinctive.
You can't really disagree with him on that part.  However, after this he explains the intricacies, uses, boundaries of magic systems and how it should be developed. Many Fantasy authors spend a lot of time on their magic system (or simply on the magic present in their world) and it can become a distraction, it's a dangerous line to follow.  But then, I think that it's mostly the same for the world building and the infamous info-dumps, the stereotypical or one-sided protagonists and the all-tangled-up storylines.  Whether you do an intricate magic system or not, I don't think that the success of it depends on its creativity but on its execution. Can it save a poorly written novel?

I think that indeed, a magic system ought to have limits but they don't really have to be crystal clear and explained as if I was reading a physics book. However, I'm a fan of original magic systems and I tend to prefer when some explaining is done, slowly, throughout the tale. Apprentices are the best avatars in this instance. I love some mystery around it but I hate it when something comes out of nowhere to save the day without any hints as to why it was possible.

Here's more on the topic:


What's your preference for a magic system?

  • Clear explanations with rules and boundaries
  • A system shrouded in mystery
  • Something that comes out of nowhere
  • Don't care
  • Why magic?

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